VF5 quiz

Shang · Sep 23, 2009

Answer

spoiler said:

D, Back dash: loses to both outright. It makes absolutely no sense do this here since back dashing causes you to stand up and you’ll get thrown or hit by kg. If you picked this, you lack basic understanding of the situation and vf in general.

C, Evade and throw escape: Not as bad as D but still very bad. It doesn’t make sense since he’s using a move specifically to crush your evade. It will only promote him to continue to do what he’s doing. Don’t do this.

A, Fuzzy Guard: Will cause the throw to whiff and guard the kg. It will also defend against mid attacks but opens you up to big damage low throws and potentially round ending delayed high throws. Overall, this is a not a bad choice but easily and heavily punishable and definitely is not the best choice given the situation.

B, Defend low and E, d+p:
Both of the choices will beat out kg and throw out right, so both will work. So you have to evaluate the overall risk/reward. Now assuming you understood the question has nothing to with moral in the first place…
Let’s compare:
B allows you to attack the whiff for big damage.
E gives you guaranteed damage and +4 frames.
B opens to big damage low throws and mid attacks.
E opens yours only to mid attack but it will be counter-hit.
B is passive, E is aggressive.
E completely eliminates Wolf’s throw game, B doesn’t.
E beats all delays, B doesn’t.
B is a specific solution where as E is a general solution that doesn’t carry more risk. E is the best answer.

And don’t forget every wolf player is waiting for you to B so he can throw you.
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EmpNovA · Sep 23, 2009

Ash_Kaiser said:

Shang said:

You are a moral player playing against a Wolf player with superior yomi who likes to use K+G and giant swing to attack tech-roll.
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It's a trick question. There are no moral VF players.

Also, no Wolf players have superior yomi unless David Sirlin plays as Wolf.
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David "I can slow time down" Sirlin.

Who needs Yomi when you can slow down time?

Slide · Sep 23, 2009

In light weight case since I played Sarah, the CH mid I think does far more than the low throw or normal hit mid. Plus why would I attack out of tech roll levels of disadv when the Wolf has superior yomi?

Choice B minimizes how many correct guesses Wolf would need to end the round imo. Gives ME more oportunities to land MY 3 or 4 correct ones.

Manjimaru · Sep 23, 2009

Slide said:

In light weight case since I played Sarah, the CH mid I think does far more than the low throw or normal hit mid. Plus why would I attack out of tech roll levels of disadv when the Wolf has superior yomi?
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Because Wolf gets the lowthrow from pretty much any other option?

Jide · Sep 23, 2009

Fuzzy eteg was also an option too

Myke · Sep 23, 2009

The conditions you setup for the quiz aren't consistent. You say that we're a "moral" player, but in the answer you say it has nothing to do with the question? How do you figure?

What is also inconsistent is that you use other attacks outside the pre-condition you setup to rule out some, but not all, of the answers.

For example, option (A) Fuzzy Guard works well against the two attacks in your pre-condition (high circular and throw), but you point out that it loses to other things -- like a potential round ending delayed throw -- so therefore it's not the best answer.

However, in your answer (E) Low Punch, you only compare it to the attacks in your pre-condition, and since it passes these two checks, it is therefore the best option? You fail to point out that this also loses out other things -- like a potential round ending combo (80 pts +). So is this still the best answer? Not to mention that blindly low punching out of a tech roll (or any disadvantage situation) is the very definition of abare, and not a moral style of play.

For me, the best "moral" answer is (A) Fuzzy Guard. Since this is a tech roll situation, you recover in a crouch and therefore are already defending low (answer B) to begin with. Fuzzy Guarding from here is just a delayed release to neutral while guarding, and some people can react fast enough to stay crouched under the high circular too.

Anyway, good quiz.

Slide · Sep 23, 2009

Manji: he said moral though. And why would I be attacking out of such a disadv that makes me open to 2 guess rounds anyway?

If I'm going to strike out of disadv which isn't the moral option here, I'd do it where Wolf's reward would only land 30 or 40 pts(with maybe a knockdown) or less with him having to guess correctly once again.

Picking the answer that gives Wolf 3x that dmg + knockdown and positioning is retard imo.
And lastly he didn't say shit about a low throw. He said K+G or GS.

Shang · Sep 23, 2009

Myke said:

You say that we're a "moral" player, but in the answer you say it has nothing to do with the question? How do you figure?
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The question asks "What is the best option...", which independent of playing style. Tricky~ Anyways I typed a bunch of stuff then I realize I was just repeating myself other than kg blocked is win for wolf. Try kg > 6kg, it's awesome.

Slide · Sep 23, 2009

Fuck Wolf

Dennis0201 · Sep 23, 2009

This situation can be used for most characters as well~
The way I like VF is because it can be applied for many choices!

Dennis0201 · Sep 23, 2009

Slide said:

Fuck Wolf
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I doubt you will do that?

Cozby · Sep 23, 2009

lololol

We need more bitches!

Slide · Sep 23, 2009

Chill

Yo haha you almost made me bust out laughing in this Ihop

Manjimaru · Sep 24, 2009

Slide said:

And lastly he didn't say shit about a low throw. He said K+G or GS.
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He said opponent is a player with good yomi and who likes to use K+G and GS. He didn't say those are the only options. He also said "Read the question carefully".

Kind of cool questionnaire. Obviously its what he said it is... to test VF theory of VFDC members. This is VF. There is no single right answer to this kind of problem. Im happy I interpreted it correctly despite not answering, whereas many people were overanalyzing it in shoutbox hehe.

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