OM at +4

Okay, now before you all point and laugh let me explain how all this crap came to be.

I was on VF5 and there was no one else playing, so I decided to watch the VF5 Exhibition matches. I realised I hadn't seen Jacky's so I decided to watch them. In Jacky vs Pai, Pai blocks an iageri leaving Jacky at +4. The Jacky player then does an OM:k: to nail a side crumple on the foolish Pai.

I thought: "That's pretty cool!" and went to dojo mode to see what I could work with that OM. And boy, did I stumble into something.

Initially I had planned just to take a few mental notes and be on my merry way but when different characters started displaying different outcomes based on stance and OM direction I had to look into it some more.

These were all tested after a blocked iageri in dojo mode, which is the only way I could test an OM at +4. I imagine that it will have the same results if used after or anything else that leaves you +4.

This info is only useful in a sense. By using OMK you can hurt an abare opponent and leave you at +6 or possibly give you a side or back crumple. Against someone who fuzzies the OM is a useful delay for a throw. In the end it all comes down to yomi (as do most things in VF). This is merely another option. Probably not the best but I'm sure someone, somewhere will get some sort of use from it.


EDIT: FAIL means that you get hit, not that you whiff.





AKIRA

VS MID

Open :
Stomach = Side Crumple
Back = Side Crumple

Closed:
Stomach = Side Crumple
Back = FAIL

VS THROW
Open :
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = Normal Hit

Closed:
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = Normal Hit

VS 2P
Open :
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = FAIL

Closed:
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = FAIL

**Against Akira, it's best to OM toward his stomach.






PAI

VS MID

Open :
Stomach = Back Crumple
Back = Back Crumple

Closed:
Stomach = Back Crumple
Back = Back Crumple

VS THROW
Open :
Stomach = Side Crumple
Back = Side Crumple

Closed:
Stomach = Side Crumple
Back = Side Crumple

VS 2P
Open :
Stomach = FAIL
Back = Normal Hit

Closed:
Stomach = FAIL
Back = Normal Hit

**Against Pai, it's best to OM toward her back. Also, incase anyone was wondering the most damage I could get off back crumple against Pai was 67. OM, iageri, iageri,






LEI

VS MID

Open :
Stomach = FAIL
Back = Side Crumple

Closed:
Stomach = FAIL
Back = FAIL

VS THROW
Open :
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = Side Crumple

Closed:
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = Normal Hit

VS 2P
Open :
Stomach = FAIL
Back = Normal Hit

Closed:
Stomach = FAIL
Back = Normal Hit

**Against Lei, it's best to OM toward his back.







AOI

VS MID

Open :
Stomach = FAIL
Back = Side Crumple

Closed:
Stomach = FAIL
Back = Side Crumple

VS THROW
Open :
Stomach = Side Crumple
Back = Side Crumple

Closed:
Stomach = Side Crumple
Back = Side Crumple

VS 2P
Open :
Stomach = FAIL
Back = Normal Hit

Closed:
Stomach = FAIL
Back = Normal Hit

**Against Aoi, it's best to OM toward her Back.







GOH

VS MID

Open :
Stomach = FAIL
Back = Side Crumple

Closed:
Stomach = FAIL
Back = Side Crumple

VS THROW
Open :
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = Side Crumple

Closed:
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = Side Crumple

VS 2P
Open :
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = FAIL

Closed:
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = Normal Hit

**Against Goh, it's best to OM toward his back. Although 2P in open stance will hit you out of OM.







KAGE

VS MID

Open :
Stomach = FAIL
Back = Side Crumple (Changes position)

Closed:
Stomach = FAIL
Back = Side Crumple

VS THROW
Open :
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = Side Crumple

Closed:
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = Normal Hit

VS 2P
Open :
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = FAIL

Closed:
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = Normal Hit

**Against Kage, it's best to OM toward his back.






SARAH

VS MID

Open :
Stomach = Side Crumple
Back = Side Crumple

Closed:
Stomach = Side Crumple
Back = Side Crumple

VS THROW
Open :
Stomach = Side Crumple
Back = Side Crumple

Closed:
Stomach = Side Crumple
Back = Side Crumple

VS 2P
Open :
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = FAIL

Closed:
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = Normal Hit

**Against Sarah, it's best to OM toward her back. (Only 2P in open stance can actually hit you)





JACKY

VS MID

Open :
Stomach = Side Crumple
Back = Side Crumple

Closed:
Stomach = Side Crumple
Back = Side Crumple

VS THROW
Open :
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = Side Crumple

Closed:
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = Side Crumple

VS 2P
Open :
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = Normal Hit

Closed:
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = Normal Hit

**Against Jacky, it doesn't matter which direction you go, you'll get a hit if he abares. Best to go to his back if you want more side crumples though.






EILEEN

VS MID

Open :
Stomach = Side Crumple
Back = Back Crumple

Closed:
Stomach = FAIL
Back = Side Crumple

VS THROW
Open :
Stomach = Side Crumple
Back = Side Crumple

Closed:
Stomach = Side Crumple
Back = Side Crumple

VS 2P
Open :
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = Normal Hit

Closed:
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = Normal Hit

**Against Eileen, it's best to OM to her back.






BRAD

VS MID

Open :
Stomach = Side Crumple
Back = FAIL

Closed:
Stomach = Side Crumple
Back = FAIL

VS THROW
Open :
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = Side Crumple

Closed:
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = Side Crumple

VS 2P
Open :
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = FAIL

Closed:
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = Normal Hit

**Against Brad you want to go to his stomach, but you'll only get the side crumple vs throws by going to his back.






SHUN

VS MID

Open :
Stomach = FAIL
Back = Side Crumple

Closed:
Stomach = FAIL
Back = Side Crumple

VS THROW
Open :
Stomach = Side Crumple
Back = Side Crumple

Closed:
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = Side Crumple

VS 2P
Open :
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = Normal Hit

Closed:
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = Normal Hit

**Against Shun, it's best to OM toward his back.







LAU

VS MID

Open :
Stomach = FAIL
Back = Side Crumple

Closed:
Stomach = FAIL
Back = Side Crumple

VS THROW
Open :
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = Normal Hit

Closed:
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = Side Crumple

VS 2P
Open :
Stomach = FAIL
Back = Normal Hit

Closed:
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = Normal Hit

**Against LAU, it's best to OM toward his back.






JEFFRY

VS MID

Open :
Stomach = Side Crumple
Back = Side Crumple

Closed:
Stomach = Side Crumple
Back = Side Crumple

VS THROW
Open :
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = Normal Hit

Closed:
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = Normal Hit

VS 2P
Open :
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = Normal Hit

Closed:
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = Normal Hit

**Against Jeff, it doesn't matter which direction you OM in.






VANESSADefensive Stance

VS MID

Open :
Stomach = FAIL
Back = FAIL

Closed:
Stomach = FAIL
Back = FAIL

VS THROW
Open :
Stomach = Side Crumple
Back = Side Crumple

Closed:
Stomach = Side Crumple
Back = Side Crumple

VS 2P
Open :
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = Normal Hit

Closed:
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = Normal Hit

**Against Vanessa DS I wouldn't try it, her mid beats any OM. I was unable to test Vanessa OS in dojo so I have no data for that.







WOLF

VS MID

Open :
Stomach = Side Crumple
Back = Side Crumple

Closed:
Stomach = Side Crumple
Back = Side Crumple

VS THROW
Open :
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = Normal Hit

Closed:
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = Normal Hit

VS 2P
Open :
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = Normal Hit

Closed:
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = Normal Hit

** I want to point out that the computer uses a 15 frame mid with Wolf instead of screw hook, the data here is of that mid. Screw hook is half circular but I don't know if funny hitboxes would make it full circular to an OM at-4 so I didn't put the data up.







Lion

VS MID

Open :
Stomach = Side Crumple
Back = Back Crumple

Closed:
Stomach = FAIL
Back = Side Crumple

VS THROW
Open :
Stomach = Side Crumple
Back = Side Crumple

Closed:
Stomach = Side Crumple
Back = Side Crumple

VS 2P
Open :
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = Normal Hit

Closed:
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = Normal Hit

**Against Lion, it's best to OM toward his back.






EL BLAZE

VS MID

Open :
Stomach = Side Crumple
Back = FAIL

Closed:
Stomach = Side Crumple
Back = FAIL

VS THROW
Open :
Stomach = Side Crumple
Back = Side Crumple

Closed:
Stomach = Side Crumple
Back = Side Crumple

VS 2P
Open :
Stomach = Normal Hit
Back = FAIL

Closed:
Stomach = FAIL
Back = Normal Hit

**Against Blaze, it's best to OM toward his stomach.







Okay, so all that info is now up and I can stop typing! it's not in your best interest to OM at +4 anyway but it's nice to know there's something extra. I'll make a post if I get any use out of this crap in an actual match.


Oh, and I came to one more conclusion. Particularly about the "VS THROW" crap.

At first I thought it was just impossible to side crumple the heavyweights that throw but then I checked Dural and she acts just like Pai or Eileen would, getting side crumpled regardless of direction or stance. So the only logical conclusion is that the manlier your character is the faster they recover from whiffing a throw.

 

Good research, this should have been done a long time ago being that the answer to everything is abare'.

 

Okay, just tried at +2 with a blocked Jab and it's the same results (haven't been through everyone yet). So I'm guessing it's the same from +2 to +4 maybe even higher, who knows?

 

Goddamn that's thorough, good work man.

 

that is thorough, and that is work. But...what move was the cpu abaring with? And i wonder if it matters what move they abare with? obviously circulars will change it, but i mean i wonder if it matters what linear move they abare with.

 

Im confused what you are actually testing? You get sidecrumple every time OM K counterhits from the side. Are you testing when OM K works? I mean it works when you have advantage, I thought we all knew that ^^ If you could pinpoint the situation where OM K would beat opponents circular that would be cool ^^

 

Wasn´t something like this not mentioned in the Bradyguide?
At some of Jackys move discriptions there were written something like this , but sadly I can´t find mine right now, so if I´m talking shit, please ignore what I´ve written...

 

Yeah, jacky's strikes all whiff.

Correct, in the low pinch situation if you use an OMP you connect while they're still crouched.

I believe it forces them to stand, I'm not 100% as it's been a while but if I can get my xbox working I'll have a look at it again tonight.

Think testing standing jab would be useful as and it's ilk are decent abare tools and I see them quite often.

 

What I mean is that the Jacky which is attacking at disadvantage always gets hit.