Question about Brad Step Change Knee on waking opponents

hi

looking through the excellent Brad dojo and a few nice brad threads i have noticed something that confuses me.
it is this situation: opponent is falling into a face down, head towards position (after maybe a +). brad does a Step Change Knee () and the opponent does quick rise guard. now accordng to a few sources i've read, this situation ends even.

i am confused as to why this is. isn't Step Change Knee throw counterable on guard?

i really want to understand this because it sounds like a strong tactic! so thanks for any help in advance.

 

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This is because your guard stun is longer during the quick rise

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I had no idea about this at all, that's really useful info. Thanks.

 

Read this. It's cause of your attack is against the opponent in the second phase, his "while standing" phase in which he is vunerable to a midattack before he gets full control back over his character (making it so he cannot counterattack you as fast as he could normally). I don't think a "longer gaurd stun" has much to do with it, it's just the engines way of putting QR's and TR's in 3 different phases... Note that you could just aswell do a (which would be less counterable) and combo them with if they tried to attack you as soon as they got control of their character (perhaps in fear of the throw) but since combos of normal hit (which it will be during the while standing phase) it's a much better option in the QR situation to get used to. It's a perfect 50/50 situation. If the opponent gaurds during the while standing phase you can throw him at the end of it (he won't be able to punch his way out if you time it right), if he doesn't you can hit him with the mid. In both cases, you could delay your knee attack until he gets control back of his character for a MC as some (alot) will try to or something in fear of the throw. If you do delay it heavily like this to get them when they're in "normal phase", however, you are once again more counterable if they just gaurd.

 

thanks for the replies fellas. i understand it a bit better now. not sure that i'll use it much in a match because i prefer to respond to either a "stay down" or a side roll, but if my opponent is repeatedly doing a quick rise it's most certainly nice to know.

out of interest, why won't this work using some other mid that causes long "blockstun" (ie ducking > +)?

 

ah.. marvellous stuff myke, thanks for the help. /versus/images/graemlins/laugh.gif