Top most important techiniques for beginner?

I am totally new to Virtua Fighter. I have been a hardcore Street Fighter player forever.

I got VF4:Evo and I love it. As I get farther into quest mode I feel my understanding of the game mechanics is pretty weak. (i.e. I am getting killed) I have read alot of articles on frame data, wake-up games, etc. and I get that.

There is such an overwhelming amount of stuff to learn I don't know where to start. What would you veteran player say are the top 5-10 most important things to learn?

 

Alright, might help if you tell us what character you're using, but my only suggestion is that you don't use lei-fei. He's so different from the other characters, and you'll develop really bad habits using him. I would also recommend that you stay away from lau and pai, simply because you can develop bad habits with their PPP strings.

First and foremost, learn your character's combos. You aren't going to win unless you know how to maximize your damage potential (or get pretty close to that potential).

Second, learn how to poke. The majority of attacks you throw out aren't going to be big attacks, throw out lots of jabs, lots of low punches, and lots of elbows.

Third, utilize throws. Personally, I think this is when you develop into a better player. Just know which moves are throw counterable and punish them as such. Not only that, but just knowing utilize jab throw setups will help you a lot.

Know your character's effective series. The ones given in training mode are all really useful, and you should be able to win some matches against the computer using only those strings. But, see what works for you, and develop your own series'.

After that, pretty much everything is all defensive.

Simply put, when they block one of your attacks, you need to respond with a defensive technique.

Probably the most important technique is EDTEG, in which you'll evade, hit two throw escapes, and then hold guard at the end. It's not to be abused, but in most cases it'll be the technique you're using.

Also learn how to fuzzy, say your opponent blocks your elbow, you can crouch dash then press guard rather quickly to defend against both a throw or a mid attack.

So yeah, really, all that matters is that you find a character that you feel comfortable dealing damage with, since defense is nearly identical for everyone. Also, don't get caught up using counters, and don't think you suck because you can't throw escape on reflex - it takes time /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif.

 

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Thanks for the feedback.

I am playing Vanessa and I can deal a good bit of damage. I do ok if I can come in from mid range and float or stagger. When my moves get blocked or evaded, now I am in close range I get lost.

I will work on the evade with the throw counters and the pokes. Thanks.

 

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since defense is nearly identical for everyone. Also, don't get caught up using counters

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You mean like Vanessa's + ??

 

1. First learn all combos and stuff. Most of Vanessa's stuff is from crumples, so there is usually a good universal followup.

mC/MC []/+, delay +, + is really the only combo that requires some practice with Vanessa, and not even that much really.

1st defensive thing you should learn is fuzzy. Also don't pay attention to vanity's advice on fuzzy guard because it's wrong. If your elbow is guarded and you crouchdash, you can be thrown.

In a real match, you should be crouching when you are idle, so you don't get thrown immediately. Learn to stay crouched, and stand up right when you expect someone to attack. Throws are so fast that you won't stand up in time to get thrown, and mids are slow enough that you'll guard them. That is the basic concept of fuzzy guard.

To practice fuzzy, go into Training -> Trial -> Challenge -> Guard Challenge 1. It should be the one where you guard Akira's high P then have to defend against throw/double palm/low backfist. Don't worry about the other guard challenges, just do that one.

The next thing you'll use is EDTEG. Don't worry about this right away. You can practice in Challenge Mode. First practice the "Evade with 2 throw escapes", and then later "evade with 2 throw escapes and guard".

Post if you have any questions.

 

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since defense is nearly identical for everyone. Also, don't get caught up using counters

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[/ QUOTE ] Every character uses fuzzy guarding, ETEG'ing, whatever, all the same way. I don't see your problem. ie: defensive skills transfer over.

Dandy, alright, maybe it was a bad example - but the principle remains the same.

 

welp...you could just search all of vanity's posts since he's the strongest player on the boards and just follow all of his advice, OR you could go up to the home tab and click on "system" and pick the document you wanna check out...read hiro's system memorandum until you are starting to apply some of it, then read it again. Get some friends into the game...convert some SF'ers or Tekken guys or SC2 people or whatever then make a trip up to NYC in a few months and come back home and realize how much MORE work you have to do.

 

Thanks for the feedback all. Looks like I have some reading and practicing to do.

 

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sanjuro said: then make a trip up to NYC in a few months

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When are you planning YOUR trip to NYC sanjuro, huh? ^_~

 

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sanjuro said:

welp...you could just search all of vanity's posts since he's the strongest player on the boards and just follow all of his advice, OR you could go up to the home tab and click on "system" and pick the document you wanna check out...read hiro's system memorandum until you are starting to apply some of it, then read it again. Get some friends into the game...convert some SF'ers or Tekken guys or SC2 people or whatever then make a trip up to NYC in a few months and come back home and realize how much MORE work you have to do.

[/ QUOTE ] You know, besides the fact that the document is pretty much unreadable for beginners.

Personally, I think my advice is decent. It's not going to make you god at this game (nobody's advice is), but it's going to make you take the step from total scrub to competent - and that's the goal.

 

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vanity said:

I would also recommend that you stay away from lau and pai, simply because you can develop bad habits with their PPP strings.



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Don't judge Lau and Pai so harshly. They can surely be used by a beginner. And what comes to their notorious PPP strings it's just a myth that you get a bad habit and start repeating them. It's easy to learn control their PPPs and in the end Lau and Pai player often finds out that using them repeatedly they will just lose matches one after another. What I'm trying to say is that all the characters are usable for beginners. Of course some of them may cause serious problems and demand loads of training (Akira, for instance), but a little patience and anyone can use anyone.

 

The blind leading the blind, Brilliant!

 

The hell you talking about? /versus/images/graemlins/mad.gif

 

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The blind leading the blind, Brilliant!

[/ QUOTE ] Or maybe I'm just the greatest VF player ever, and you're the blind one!

Yeah, I know, really, really unlikely - but that doesn't mean you have to be a dick.

 

Well, I got the Akira guard challenge done. I think it will be a whole different story to get it working in live play though.

Evading and throw escapes I need to work on. I keep getting thrown before I evade.

I already throw a lot. It's my nature as a SF player /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I read some other stuff about delaying your strings being important to to get the hang of. Sounds like a good idea to mix it up and and break the habit of just hammering out your strings too much.

 

You a vanessa player too cool..well i am no expert but wot i have learned, go through her command list (as its quite long) till u kno wot moves to use in wot situation (especially her sabakis). Oh and u finding DS (defensive stance) too irritating to get damage in fights dont be scared to go OS and use some of her nice mixups when you have the chance. But try and learn how to use DS effectively since u start in it every match. Also note that her punch is quite slow in DS

 

Vanity:

One of the top most important techiniques for beginner is to know what your own skill level is before trying to sound like you are some sort of an expert. You seem to have a lot of work to do in that category, I might add.

 

Wow, I come across as an expert? I'm flattered. Seriously, I gave some incredibly general information in my first post, and I get burned for it. Like, wtf.

 

Actually I think you're getting "burned" for giving shitty advice, then saying you're the greatest player in the entire world and then giving even more shitty advice.