VF5REVO Kage Wall Setups

I have a confession to make, but I'll save it to the end of the post.

For now, I want to quickly share something I recently saw on Celory's stream, which was a pretty brutal looking wall setup starting with the Shippujin guard break. I demonstrate it here:



This works due to the chaining together of several properties:

• Shippujin breaks a high guard and gives +17 (Note: this move changes Kage's foot position)
• is 17f, and hence guaranteed as a follow-up
• is a Natural Combo when entered without delay (i.e. fastest timing)
• produces a sideways knock effect towards Kage's stomach, and if the opponent hits the wall it results in a Heavy Wall Stun.
  
• Heavy Wall Stuns grant +23(?) advantage and Side Turns the opponent
• (15f) on Side Turn grants +16, allowing for another giving +13, then -- all guaranteed -- for a Wall Slump
• Due to El Blaze's Super Light Weight status, you can re-slump him with > (should also work vs Eileen; against other characters, skip the re-slump step)
• Continue with the usual wall slump combo of ! > (or other)

So the key to all of this is that:

• Kage must start with back facing the wall before the guard break; then
• After the guard break, enter without any delay.

I've always known about the stomach-facing wall setup for a heavy wall stun, but always relied on my opponent not being familiar or ready to guard the low. This time, we have a guaranteed way to land it from the front. The only challenge is getting that guard break with your back facing to the wall!

Now, for some other setups...

Heavy Wall Stun Setups
In terms of other wall setups, the usual stuff from VF5FS still works to produce a Heavy Wall Stun. But, I'm curious to see what's new in REVO? If you have any, please share!

Stomach-facing wall:

• (can be fussy with angle)
• 
• (jump descending)
• SH

Back-facing wall:

• (can be fussy with angle)
• SH (recovers Back Turned)
• (enter JM with hold) > BT JM

Heavy Wall Stun Follow-Ups
Stomach-facing wall:

• (wall splat)

Back-facing wall:

• (wall splat)

Any:

• side hit combo

(sorry, have to end this post in a hurry, will come back and tidy up!)

Spoiler: Confession

I was today years old when I learnt that 4P+KP is a Natural Combo when entered without delay, ever since VF5FS! This means this setup from Shippujin was possible back then, and so I can't believe I've been sitting on this tech for this long!

 

haha yes, this one I knew from the beginning and I'm sure I have plenty of highlight clips to prove it. In fact, I documented this around 10 years ago when I wrote the VF5FS Kage Start Guide:



Of course, a Knee is the optimal follow-up after the stagger for a Wall Spat. Thanks for looking out, though!

 

Yes, after Side Turned causes a wall stagger, (you can just enter since you're already crouching) will cause a wall splat.

 

Ah, sorry, I misunderstood. But yeah, I don't think a Knee would reach from that range unless the opponent was already in the corner?