Tutorial Video: Escaping Side Throws

Likewise, joking aside, I think we all agree the wiki entry can be made more coherent. What Erdraug revised so far, is moving in the right direction.

I am confused with what your wrote here. I think we both agreed the confusion with the wiki entry was the use of the arrows. Before there was such things as fighting games, arrows were used as a notation for left and right direction (do a google search ).

You don't need to make a video. Jeffry's side throw escapes info in his command list was most likely copied incorrectly. What I wrote earlier was wrong. My bad. I will edit his command list after getting this side throw escape explanation to be understandable.

Edit: As for the japanese video on side throw escape...it was actually posted on VFDC in the beginning of May by Libertine:
Side Throw Video Post (you posted right after his post). The japanese video also was made in February. Either way, I take your word you were not aware of it or understood it. Your youtube video was done exceptionally well and helpful, so thanks for putting the effort to making it.

 

I've updated the Side Throw Escapes section in the wiki. It provides a more detailed explanation than previously and hopefully the diagrams make things less confusing.

There are tips at the end of the section for successful Side Throw Escaping, as well as a link to Leonard's video.

 

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Nice diagrams...was that why you were looking for those pdfs?

For the tip2: flip flop section, is this another helpful tip for people that have trouble understanding left and right arrows? -

Side throw from an opponent that moved to the foreground relative to your character's position - escape with back +

Side throw from an opponent that moved to the background relative to your character - escape with forward +

Edit: wrong information in this post, ignore this post.

 

Yep!

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Side throw from an opponent that moved to the foreground relative to your character's position - escape with back +

Side throw from an opponent that moved to the background relative to your character - escape with forward +</div></div>
I think this fails for Player 2?

If Player 1 moves to the foreground and attempts a side throw on Player 2, then Player 2 would need to escape with "left" or "forward" , and not "back" as you suggest above.

 

Myke, my bad, it should be switched...to this wording...

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Side throw from an opponent that moved to the foreground relative to your character's position - escape with forward +

Side throw from an opponent that moved to the background relative to your character - escape with back +
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So if you are the 1p side:
1) opponent moved to the foreground
2) opponent is on the right side of your character
3) escape with right+ or escape with forward +

And if you are on the 2p side:
1) opponent moved to the foreground
2) opponent is on the left side of your character
3) escape with left+ or escape with forward +

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Edit: or maybe this is still very confusing wording and should just be left out.

 

That makes sense now. I haven't finished fleshing out "Case 1: Opponent Changed Position" but when I do, I'll be sure to include this tip. Thanks!

 

Actually, if you look at in-game command lists (at least some of them), I am quite sure players on 2P side have the command notations switch.

I think the left and right arrow has been used for side throw escapes for a while now in VF. It is also how it is written in many of the Japanese strategy books from my experience (in which the VFDC command lists are based off of).

Yeah, side throw explanation is complicated because people have trouble telling what is the right side or left side of your character within the video game.

Using forward and back does not give the simplest explanation. It is great for actual application though, but does not cover all side throw escape situations...I think...

 

The simplest explanation is, as it has always been: left side throws are escaped with the "left" direction (and similarly for the right side).

As soon as you introduce command notation, be it numerical or graphical, then things can get confusing because notation was always in reference to 1P side. This is where the wiki was confusing some people, hence the update.

So telling someone to memorise forward for one scenario, but backward for another scenario might be all well and good, but it doesn't explain why it's forward or backward. Some people like to understand the why, and that's determined by the character's left or right side being thrown.

I'm hopeful that providing all the details isn't necessarily overcomplicating things. In the end, I want you come away with one or two rules of thumb that work for any scenario.