Virtua Fighter 360 Confirmed

however DS / Wii style developed games cant be downloaded on a sony or MS console because they dont necesarily use pads ~ which i think personally was real statement toward games becoming futhur developed and understood.

for example, if you take away pads and use a different decive to control a game, you've already made a new game system~ it's like guitar hero, house of the dead 4 or samba de amigo in a sense that you're fully interacting within the objective you've been set and become 100% responsive toward it's control.~~ when N64 first built their system around using anologue movement, it meant mario was then free to move in the most responsive way in which the user wanted. ~ the trouble is the same mechanics of 2 generaions ago isnt what i would call next Gen, and the sad thing is that it really does show now.

this is one of the main reasons why i didnt think sony or MS did a good job of leading the games industry, because they still use old gimmicks ~ and it's come to a point where it's become cluttered and overloaded with generic mainstream genres, subjects, catagoreys, franchises, sequels, prequels, re-hashes, retro complilations and to be honest, not much room for any kind of new attention~ even for small developers.

Wii's direction for me is still the strongest~~ and im honestly not a fanboy, just an industry spectator.

 

I completely disagree....

"If it's not broken, don't fix it"

To me the Dual Shock controller is the best controller I've ever played games with that don't need their own controller (like VF or Guitar Hero etc.). To say that MS and Sony aren't going in the right direction is ridiculous...

They've both made strides in formats, Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD. The systems have basically unlimited capability now that they have hard drives that you can run software off of. And they have internet capable consoles. Xbox and PS2 had online games and online features....Gamecube didn't. N64 lost out on tons of games, including the Final Fantasy series becauase they insisted on using cartridges and not CDs. In fact, the only reason Sony made the playstation was because Nintento insisted on having its next machine (N64) be a cartridge machine if I'm not mistaken.

And controllers not being pads? It's not really a new idea that the WII happened to have......duck hunt? NES olympics with that running pad? Downloadable content...Sega channel? Online gaming/downloadble content....pc games have been doing that since the internet. X-Box live is pretty inovative as is having everygame online with a headset communication ability.

The fact is for me that the 360 and PS3 are more like computers/media centers than just plain consoles. The WII is a kid's toy for me.

I'm sorry but the fact that I control the character in Final Fantasy, Metal Gear, Grand Theft Auto with pad and not a gun/stick/glove/helmet or whatever nintendo wants me to wear doesn't mean that the game is any less deep or immersive. I play chrono trigger once a year because it's got a great involving story, and I play it with a SNES controller...

"and it's come to a point where it's become cluttered and overloaded with generic mainstream genres, subjects, catagoreys, franchises, sequels, prequels, re-hashes, retro complilations and to be honest, not much room for any kind of new attention~ even for small developers."

I'm sorry but the WII is fucking cluttered with every Mario and Zelda game....Mario Golf, Mario Tennis, Smash Brothers, Mario Kickboxing, Martio Kart....oh so much new direction and variety. Nintendo does as much if not more of rehashing old games. And personally what's wrong with franchises and sequels? Some of the best games are made this way....

And back to controllers not changing. VF1 had an 8 way joystick and three buttons, P, K and G. Virtua Fighter 5 has an 8 way joystick and three buttons, P,K and G. I'm pretty sure VF1 and 5 are insanely diverse, enough that I'd call VF5, "next gen."

 

I fully agree with EmpNovA.

Personally, I believe the next big step in controlling games is full blown VR. Everything in between the pad and VR will just feel like a gimmick and nothing more.

Even then, the pad won't disappear (unless, of course, we literally "enter the Matrix" /versus/images/graemlins/cool.gif).

 

Well, I love wii, the interaction that it gives even with the simpliest games, although I don't think that many developers will go that way cause the games can't have a too complex playabilty and since wii is limited graphically in comparison to 360 and ps3. Wii should have been there instead of gamecube.

Anyway we're talking of vf5 here, and unless they release vf5 with the vf4evo engine it just won't be there on the wii.
And I am glad that it is on 360 cause probably on the late 2007 summer, 360's price will already have dropped and I will get a premium since I stopped getting along with Sony.
PS3 has been a let down to me. i have been an anti-gates/microsoft guy all my life but I think that he's rich enough to stop wanting to rip off people anymore, but sony...man n64 had 4 gamepad connections, after came dreamcast with the 4 pad connections and also with a modem and netplay,revolutionary memorycards and all. then came ps2. you had to buy a multi tap, a external adaptor and a hard drive to have internet, the memorycards were high priced...the 3 ps2's i had bought got the reading lens fukd up almost 2 years after I bought each.

I was giving up from vf5 already,i'd never buy a ps3. But ...this is great. I just want VF5 above anything else. and 360 has everything in line to run it smoothly and tuned, I just hope they put the online upgrades or something like it. I'll never be ripped off by sony anymore cause they are the world leader in consoles,cd and dvd players and all that shit and they just want to get richer. Bill gates is willing to waste his money since he has so much, and microsoft has been in the gaming since long ago even if it was on the pc. I guess that this time i'll trust them. I also think sega made this move cause they know that most dumb players will stick to tekken6 when it comes to be released and that probably VF5 will have no rivalry on the 360.

 

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PS3 has been a let down to me. i have been an anti-gates/microsoft guy all my life but I think that he's rich enough to stop wanting to rip off people anymore, but sony...man n64 had 4 gamepad connections, after came dreamcast with the 4 pad connections and also with a modem and netplay,revolutionary memorycards and all. then came ps2. you had to buy a multi tap, a external adaptor and a hard drive to have internet, the memorycards were high priced...the 3 ps2's i had bought got the reading lens fukd up almost 2 years after I bought each.

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Didn't Bill Gates retire? So I don't see how his money has anything to do with...well, anything. As for your PS2 problems, well, it appears like Sony has learnt their lesson. I don't believe there have been any reports so far of faulty units. PS3 can now support up to 7 players on one console. HDD and ethernet port standard. Wi-fi on the 60 GB version. Also, being able to buy any HDD (should we want to replace the one in the PS3) as well as use any Bluetooth keyboard, mouse and headset is great (no over priced Sony made ones, WOOT!), etc...

Out of the box, PS3 supports the most hardware features. So that's always a plus.

 

I just don't see how you could even play a fighting game on 360. The DOAs are difficult to play with the 360 pads how are they gonna pull this off on the 360 pads I'm just curious. Not like the PS2/PS3 pads are the best either but they're a lot better than the 360 pads for fighting games.

360 pads are great for FPS and sports games though.

 

no offense, but I just don't see why should anyone play a fighting game on pad... it's like playing guitar hero with a pad.

 

The thing is, I'm not wasting money. As I said I want VF5 and that's all,I'll probably get more games then but that's not a priority. The best way is the cheapest way. I don't want or need any of the beautiful PS3 features and am not going to risk my wallet for sony either. Xbox is cheaper, is well supported, and has plenty of useful features to me. anyway I may get a arcade stick for it but since vf4 has not been released on any arcade around here i got used playing with a gamepad. Also I control the evading better and the triggers are quite handy for shortcut bindings G+P, P+K and stuff. The xbox pad is not bad at all, as with most other consoles it's just a matter of getting used to it. N64 pad was ankward to me at the beggining but it worked just fine.

 

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Anyone know if you can use PS2 to USB adapters for a PC on a 360? If so, anyone know of any good ones?


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The xbox360 will not accept standard usb HID devices. It has to be a microsoft-licensed device. You know, just like the proprietary video cables, hard drive enclosures, memory cards, and wireless controller protocol that no one seems to bash microsoft for.

I've personally tested this on a 360 with a USB stick. I haven't gotten around to testing it on the ps3, but good usb sticks will be plenty available for the ps3.

 

please try to type like a normal human being ~~ then maybe people Might take your halfbaked logic maybe a little seriously. rather than just writing you off as a complete Retard ~ or maybe not.

 

congratulations, you've proved my points in so many ways possible.


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I completely disagree....

"If it's not broken, don't fix it"

To me the Dual Shock controller is the best controller I've ever played games with that don't need their own controller (like VF or Guitar Hero etc.). To say that MS and Sony aren't going in the right direction is ridiculous...



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so is your statement

you’ve just contradicted your initial point by stating there are better devices used for other games, in whichcase this only agrees that you cant make a guitar game without a guitar and also “you cant make new and fresh ideas without new and fresh tools†~ in which case sony’s direction is just circles, you cant go in cirlces if you plan to represent “the next generation of video games.

the “if it’s not broken, don’t fix it†gag to me describes the entire campagine for sony and microsoft since they entered the market~~ same name, same pad, same backwards compatibility, same brands, same market infact sony’s released the same dazzling console atleast 5 times~!~

and if it aint broke, and it aint fixed, then they arent thinking of expanding the entertainment of games, they are only thinkin of only hardware implants which has nothing to do with games if you even bothered to read my previous posts. It will only attract an audience (hillarious like your post) which isnt catered to video game objective, but “how many uses can I count with this random piece of hardwareâ€Â

I find your statement bland and uninspiring, you and poppa also fail to realise the essential core of the video games streamline was found in the arcade scene where everything was customized machinery, consoles couldn’t compete with the same experience in the home by a mileshot, and I don’t consider taking a trip to play ferarri f355 with 3 screens, 2 giant speakes, a seat, a steering wheel, pedals, and rummbling vibrations “some VR gimmick†it’s a fucking car game.

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They've both made strides in formats, Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD. The systems have basically unlimited capability now that they have hard drives that you can run software off of. And they have internet capable consoles. Xbox and PS2 had online games and online features....Gamecube didn't. N64 lost out on tons of games, including the Final Fantasy series becauase they insisted on using cartridges and not CDs. In fact, the only reason Sony made the playstation was because Nintento insisted on having its next machine (N64) be a cartridge machine if I'm not mistaken.


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Not many PS2 games even suppased a 720MB CD~

What would they need blu-ray for? 10 day FMV? ~ 70% of each final fantasy disc memory was taken up by FMV that is the only reason why nintendo didn’t get it~ and they never cared. Zelda 64 was one of the greatest events in the video game history. They even rejected final fantasy for the gamecube until crystal cronicles.

Nintendo catered for their audience which was young kids that could appreciate the time and enjoyment of played games.

They didn’t want loading times, or the delicacy of breaking CDs, complication of a bios screen or anything other than a games console ~ their reasons were fine for their aim, instead they concerntrated on all the possible charactistics which would make a game more envolving~ they promoted multiplayer fun within local communities~ instead of the one-man-bedroom-play that sony’s console promotes.

They also made the first fully anologue game Mario 64 ~ which was another great event in the history of video games

All the features you talk about is just another excuse to hide the fact that sony don’t really have much else to offer other than non~games related function in a games related industry. ~ the best thing microsoft ever came up with was a headset o__o.

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And controllers not being pads? It's not really a new idea that the WII happened to have......duck hunt? NES olympics with that running pad? Downloadable content...Sega channel? Online gaming/downloadble content....pc games have been doing that since the internet. X-Box live is pretty inovative as is having everygame online with a headset communication ability.


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There is a difference between re-hashing a game and re-defining a game.
Clearly it was demonstration to show people that simple concepts with a more interactive control system could heighten he fun factor of the game, and infact create an entire different experience ~ why the fuck do you think samba de amigo was called “allround entertainment.†because not only can you have fun playing the game, you can have just as much fun watching people play it, it’s an experience which a mass of community can all enjoy within one instance.

As you can tell, online gaming has nothing to do with innovation. The console construction directs what people are playing online. Nintendo showed that you can for instance play tennis online whilst smacking thin air with a wii stick o__o.

How cool is that?


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The fact is for me that the 360 and PS3 are more like computers/media centers than just plain consoles. The WII is a kid's toy for me.


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Exactly why there needs to be a division between people who PLAY GAMES FOR FUN.


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I'm sorry but the fact that I control the character in Final Fantasy, Metal Gear, Grand Theft Auto with pad and not a gun/stick/glove/helmet or whatever nintendo wants me to wear doesn't mean that the game is any less deep or immersive. I play chrono trigger once a year because it's got a great involving story, and I play it with a SNES controller...



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no doubt it does have a great immersive storyline ~

the way RPGs are expanding now, you may aswell buy a watchable DVD and give your tired thumb a rest from pressing action button as your only sense of interactivity. I believe zelda also had an immersive storyline, all of them, but it was also just as involving to interact with the story environment because don’t forget you are playing a game

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"and it's come to a point where it's become cluttered and overloaded with generic mainstream genres, subjects, catagoreys, franchises, sequels, prequels, re-hashes, retro complilations and to be honest, not much room for any kind of new attention~ even for small developers."

I'm sorry but the WII is fucking cluttered with every Mario and Zelda game....Mario Golf, Mario Tennis, Smash Brothers, Mario Kickboxing, Martio Kart....oh so much new direction and variety. Nintendo does as much if not more of rehashing old games. And personally what's wrong with franchises and sequels? Some of the best games are made this way....



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Whatever nintendo are doing with their old characters they have just made a completely new platform to create new games systems with~ and not only that, but they have a pad too for any other shit.

Too many franchises and sequels just show a point of desperation, and lack of ability to try anything else ~ squaresoft is a fine culprit which is why im glad they dont spam their same game on every platform. ~ it is true, nintendo are one to always bring back a previous generation game and refine it, ~ as tiresome it may seem but they are almost never sequels, and they always try a new approach apon it's last project.

Even out of the blue, nintendo created nintendogs, they always show developers how to use their consoles for something immagenitive~ and i'd pinpoint nintendo to only set a boundry and a guideline for other possibilities for other companies.

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And back to controllers not changing. VF1 had an 8 way joystick and three buttons, P, K and G. Virtua Fighter 5 has an 8 way joystick and three buttons, P,K and G. I'm pretty sure VF1 and 5 are insanely diverse, enough that I'd call VF5, "next gen."


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VF cant be controlled any other way because it was already designed with a custom form of control~ o___o ~ it’s control function enhances by the way sega construct a very delicate technical system, an it doesn’t necessarily make this a next gen breakthrough, the experience is getting out of the game what you put into it. Infact it’s a perfect example of a game which is about community, fully functional control, an objective factor, a fun factor, a personal factor (your improvemment) ~ and a it certainly follows the same environmental approach nintendo make for gamers.

 

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please try to type like a normal human being ~~ then maybe people Might take your halfbaked logic maybe a little seriously. rather than just writing you off as a complete Retard ~ or maybe not.

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Geez. Why beat on BK_ so hard? I got his point and thought it was kind of interesting. The explosion that is Guitar Hero kind of illustrates what he's getting at. Although I don't want to buy a game specific controller for every game I get (or, hell, maybe I do... SEGA HG for the win!), I find it refreshing to see this kind of innovation. People I know that don't play a lot of games are starting conversations with "I was playing Guitar Hero last night and..."

Lighten up a little, please.

 

Re: Virtua Fighter collection not confirmed

I'm disappointed with the lack of posts slagging SEGA off so I'm going to try and remedy that.

What is the big deal why SEGA have not got round to re releasing VF1 VF2 and VF3 and VF3TB? a nice collection all on one disc, no graphical enhancements, just straight arcade ports. VF2 and VF3 have never had arcade perfect console ports for fucks sake. And yes an online mode aswell, it won't 'hurt' their precious Japanese arcade cash cow and since these games will played for 'fun' lag won't matter has much.
New video files would start showing up on the net, and VF fans would be happy to have the disc has a collectable if nothing else.

The big deal is that SEGA are a bunch of morons. Dead beat cunts. All hail Namco. Must be great to be a Tekken fan.
Fuck you SEGA.

So Virtua fighter 4.5 is coming out for the 'poor mans' PC?
meh...

 

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I'd dig arcade perfect ports of VF1 - 3TB. I might even be duped into buying a console for it rather than drag out the boards each time I want to play.

I played (and would play if anyone would join in) VF2 PC online and had a blast. Laggy? Sometimes but the fun I had playing Jerky or Adnan (and even Shang) from my home was worth it. Hell, just playing against my buddy who lives an hour away was awesome. Have a free half hour? play a bunch of games then back to what you need to be doing.

GE

 

Youre right man, your post is absoultely a righteous one. I got to play wii a few days ago, just the wii sports, and i just couldn't let go the nunchaku, man i was completely hooked up on boxing, bowling, great gameplay,its something like neverbefore, I felt like playing videogames for the first time in my life. I was to buy a wii untill the news for VF5 on the 360 came out lol. =)

 

Re: Virtua Fighter collection not confirmed

GE your my heroe.

 

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I tire of hearing people uptalk nintendo like it doesnt already get credit for doing many great things for the gaming world. Nintendo is just as big a douchebag corporate entity as all the rest of the bunch. Any mistake / douchebag move that Sony, Microsoft, and previously Sega has ever done Nintendo is guilty of. Everyone massages Nintendo’s balls when they do something right, but I remember the years and years of crappy Nintendo suckness of the N64, Game Cube, and GameBoy. “They are innovating the gaming world.†my ass. I give that nunchuck doohickey a year before it starts getting old. And just like all its consoles it will peter out due to lack of interest from normal gamers and normal game developers. They combine a light gun with a controller and now they are revitalizing the game world? C’mon.

And I don’t think your saying the FF series are rehashes and then saying the Zelda / Mario series are “innovations†is well founded. Mario Party 4 anyone? Mario (enter sport here)? Even Zelda is the same concept with a couple new GIMMICKS thrown in. Thats not to say that they are bad games, rather that they are good games because of the concepts that birthed and still drive the games.

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Too many franchises and sequels just show a point of desperation, and lack of ability to try anything else ~ squaresoft is a fine culprit which is why im glad they dont spam their same game on every platform. ~ it is true, nintendo are one to always bring back a previous generation game and refine it, ~ as tiresome it may seem but they are almost never sequels, and they always try a new approach apon it's last project.

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Give me a break. Nintendo’s very foundation as a company is built upon franchises, sequels, nostalgia, and gimmicks. So much so that I wish Nintendo would go third party like sega so I could get the good games they make on a system in which I am the target audience.

As for VF on the Wii... who honestly sees that as a viable choice? When was the last time a nintendo system had a third party fighting game franchise worth celebrating? SNES / early 64?

 

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Nintendo is innovating the game scene,nintendo ds was a great portable and not just a portable ps2. there's xbox and ps2, and they're almost the same thing. and though i will not support wii (because i know most third party developers won't go that way) I also see that more risks need to be taken, not always keep doing the same thing. and Wii is a leap of giant in this industry and nintendo is nowadays the only corporation that does things thinking on the players instead of just wanting to fill up their pockets with them.

 

Re: Goiken Muyou

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I heard this game is actually quite good, isn't some of the tetsujins unlockable as playable characters like bunbun /versus/images/graemlins/lol.gif

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it seems that opti answered himself muakakaka lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G5DoD788ic

PS. i am very happy about this xbox360 vf5 news, cuz through the xbox version(especially in the U.S)more ppl is getting to know and getting the chance to play VF!!! thats most important i think. :G

 

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I was naughty yesterday. I bought a PS3. I called around, somebody said they had one. I drove and got it. 700 bucks later, I feel a little dirty, but it had to be done. VF5 in February. Sweet.

I bought Resistance. It's like Doom with more polygons. PS3 is just a shinier PS2. More polygons, higher definition. Fine. It'll play VF5 and Bluerays, so whatever.

I also have a Wii. Zelda is awesome. The other games Nintendo puts out will be sweet. Say what you want about Nintendo as a corporate entity, and I realize they don't make games out of a sense of philanthropy, but they are the best company of the three.

Would Nintendo ever release a bad Mario game or Zelda game? What other companies can say that? Look at what SEGA does. Wasn't that last Sonic utter crap? Nintendo would never do that to its fans.

MS doesn't count because they are trying to create brand loyalty and future market share and are unbound by any financial concerns.

On a different note...

What was up with this?

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You're a silly little fella. Do you you have some juicy gossip about me that's too hot for this message board? Oh no, what are the cool nerds saying about me? On these boards, I was kind of dickish to GE some time ago (sorry GE) but I don't think I have really done anything to anyone out there in Meat-space (as oppossed to cyberspace).

Ice-9, you should change your handle so that people know you are not a Vonnegut fan. We all know you prefer Sweet Valley High novels.