Why fighting games suck

I'd like to point out that it's not necessarily playing fighting games (namely VF) for extended periods of time that may be making you feel sluggish.

If you don't eat for around 3 hours then your body enters some sort of starvation mode. Basically feeding off of your own body. Bloodsugar levels dip and you ultimately run out of energy. When you are concentrating on something/enjoying yourself it's not too difficult to forget to eat.

There's more to it than what I said but that's pretty much the gist of it.

If you find playing fighting games for extended periods of time taxing on your arms you should invest in some handgrips or a dumbbell, grip the dumbbell then move your wrist up and down to strengthen forearms. (You can do this with a barbell also; using both of your forearms this way)

 

Oh man, I knew I was missing this in my mma training....VF stick training will take me to the next level.

 

First of all, amazing how you can sum it up so nicely with so little words Godeater. Also; best post of this thread. I bet it will fly right by him though.

Just look at the first link in his signature and you'll realize that this is something intrinsic to his entire being and as such it is pointless to "debate" with him. Look at his avatar and his way of "speaking" and it's over. When someone projects himself that hard onto a gamingcharacter, to deny it (and the game) is perfect and the best would require him to see flaws in himself or the choices he's made. Po will, and can never be objective in this matter simply put... and that is just sad beyond belief. It doesn't matter at all what the discussion is about, in his mind the discussion is about VF not being the perfect game. On a deep level. "Discussion" with him is utterly pointless. He doesn't recognize knowledge of others about other games cause to him VF is the only game.

The frog in the well doesn't know the big sea.

Put that in a fortunecookie and shove it up your ass Po.

 

yep sums it up.

also just wanna clarify "So you don't think speed, stamina, endurance, hand-eye-coordination, dexterity, agility, hand/forearm strength has anything to do with being a top player in a fighting game?" when I disagreed with this, I mostly meant that its NOT HARD to get the hand eye and endurance necessary for fighting games not that you don't need it. masterpo- "oh man I have to do 10 push ups" other-"ya thats not as hard as 10 pull ups bro..." masterpo-"NO WAY YOU NEED MASSIVE BLAH BLAH"


I've played VF for HOURSSS non stop player match. Very fun. And my hand was not tired in the least, my brain(became a little harder to play mind games) maybe but definitely not my hand and I was not inputting things improperly either. Seriously, its not that hard misterpo -.-. Sure complete newbs might not be able to, but after a few months definitely. You think after a few months you could shoot as fast as a top tier? fuck no. not even close.

this thread needs to die I'm done posting lol

 

Here's the scenario for the last time my hands and forearms were sore in a tournament. It was a VF tournament. In a Mall in Youngstown, Ohio. We were at a sports bar/grill called Jillians. The tournament was a team match. It was our team, against all takers, regardless to the number of people on your team. Last team standing, took home a measly $250 USD

5 rounds, 60 secs, best 3 out of 5 per person. Which means worse case scenario(5 minutes per match, 5 matches per person) Well, 3 teams showed up, to challenge, 1rst team had 4 people, second team has 11 people, 3rd team had 6 people. We started at 9:00 a.m. on a Saturday.

Here's the way it worked. We put up our first fighter against the first fighter of the first team. If they sat down our first fighter, we put our second fighter. If we sat down their first fighter, they put their second one. If we could sit down the first team, we took on the second team. If the first team sat us down, then they took on the next team.


Our team is ranked. I'm was almost the lowest member of our team at the time. Our first player sat down 2 members of the first team. The 3rd member sat our first player down. Then it was my turn. I played the remaining 19 people at 5 rounds , 60 seconds per round best 3 out of 5.

The rest of my team mates didn't get the opportunity to play that day. Yep, I sat down 19 people straight, and some of the fights lasted pretty close to 25 minutes, after defending for the first 2 1/2 hours (no breaks) I have to admit, I did feel a wee bit sluggish (maybe I did need more time in the gym) But when the 4th hour kicked in, I was fuckin tired. TBH the competition was poor-to-mediocre. But so was I. My hat off to any of yall if you can play your best game for 2 1/2 hours with no skills degrading. I doubt very seriously that any of yall can play 4 hours consecutive with absolutely no degrade in skills or with no fatigue. It took me a little over 5 hours
to sit all 19 people down. 5 hours, no breaks, no adjusting, my stick Hell I didn't stop to drink anything until the 4th hour. nothing but straight VF action.

I'm not even top tier, and yep, my hands and fingers were tired. My wrists were tight. My forearms felt strained. My neck hurt too.

This is the reason why I know most of yall have never had to defend a winning streak for any serious amount of time. Because you can't relate to anything I'm saying. If you had done any marathon title defense or win streak defense at all then you would be like, yep MasterPo has got that shit right.

The fact that it sounds weird to you, lets me know that you probably fight single elimination or double elimination, with best 2 out of 3 and 45 second rounds. Most of you probably never had a win streak during a tournament, and out of those that have probably never had a win streak longer than 4 or 5 people in a tournament. You probably took breaks even under those circumstance out of the few of yall that have been in a real tournament. In fact, some of you probably never won a real tournament at all, so you have no idea how much stamina it takes, or arm strength or anything else it takes.


It would be simpler, if you could just say that I'm wrong, but you can't because the ones of you that don't agree with me are not top tier players and you don't really know what it takes to be one. That's why you can imagine that a FPS shooter could possibly require more skill. If your were top tier or even strong intermediate, you would know better

Successful participation in intermediate to advanced Competition in a top tier fighting game requires more speed, agility, dexterity, hand-eye- coordination, physical stamina,focus, awareness,anticipation,
move-list recall and execution than any other kind of video game and that includes FPS


C'mon people you gotta either play hard or go home

 

When I play online I can sit and play 40 games straight easy.

No pain.

I've never heard the folk I'm playing complain either.

 

So that's why it takes you forever to get you point across. Your training your fingers up to get better at VF. Why don't you do what I do and just jackoff constantly to get your arm strength up.

I haven't been tired after a long session of VF. Shit I can play for hours now.

I love you Po now just get on the 360.

 

Shiny, I'm sorry to hear you've got to go that route. Fortunately,I'm married, and thingz are still very good (no jacking off here)

But on another tip. Here's a generous offer:

If VF5FS comes to consoles and there is a PS3 online. I will
buy a PS3 just for my mates at VFDC. I'll send it to you first, we can spar, and then you can send it to the next guy. I'll pay for postage for the first shipment, but the next one will be up to yall. They're down to a couple of hundred bucks now. It would be well worth it to me to be able to lose to all of yall a few times.

We could call it a donated PS3 for the VFDC community. That way anybody on XBL that wanted to play anybody who only has/and will only play a PS3 a chance to play. I'm down with that. I'll put up the PS3 if yall take the time to get familiar with the controller. On the real.

 

I will be married in September.

You might have early signs of.......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpal_tunnel

or your really, really weak. Where I recommend you do something with your arms. Lifting weights, jacking off, etc.

Last dick joke. Promise.

 

It's not about gross muscle power, guys (how much you can bench press, arm curl, etc).

It's about the fine motor skills in your fingers and wrist, and the muscles involved in those functions. It's different muscles and different neurons involved; lifting weights won't help you perform VF moves better/faster or be a better surgeon.

Ofc, being in good shape overall does help. I'm just saying it's not about how big you look.

This argument is like saying track&field athletes vs swimmers which are better/true human specimens of athleticism... complete apples vs oranges. Both Po and Kiwe are biased and wrong.

 

I'm sticking with my Carpal tunnel theory.

 

I like the cliche of comparing apples & oranges.

Because you can compare them. Of course they are different kinds of fruit, but they are both fruit, they have weight, mass, density. They take a certain amount of time to ripen, etc. Of course you can compare and contrast them.

The same is true for FPS vs Fighting games. Obviously they are different genres. So what

They both require signicant skill. In some cases those skills
intersect, in some cases they don't. The both require a certain number of skills. The both require a certain level of performance at the skills to be able to compete at the intermediate to advanced level.

The question is which requires the most overall skill at the highest level of performance to compete at the intermediate to advanced level. I just happen to know that the answer is fighting games

There is so much evidence on my side of the argument. Even if you look at it from the anecdotal evidence. When COD4, MW2 came out and had 14 million users on line. These 14 million users were not highly skilled precision bound gamers. You had everybody and their grandma playing COD4 and MW2. It was a fad. Everybody was playing it. Even baby sister. And they were having a great deal of fun. Do you know why an absolute noob, non-skilled gamer can play a game for hours on end against complete strangers and still have fun? Because the game has a low skill entry level. Like Madden

On the other hand the same is never true for fighting games. If
a noob can't get on an look kewl kicking ass then its not fun and they won't play. That's why VF, Tekken, SC etc didn't have 14million users in their first year, because ma and pa and baby sister couldn't get online without get pwned over and over, but they could in COD4, and MW2.

Sure noobs can button mash in fighting games, but only against other noobs. As soon as the noob bumps up against anyone with the slightest amount of skill the game is not fun any more, or it sucks and they put it down, and go find a nice FPS to play.

The mass appeal of the FPS alone proves my point.

Folks this argument in part agout EGO.

Disclosure: (I play and enjoy 3rd person shooters not FPS)

People who are arguing against my position play and do well at FPS. Some of them also play fighters but they are poor to mediocre at fighting games. So the natural tendency for these people is say that FPS requires more skill. Ultimately it makes them feel better about themselves. So I understand the fervor
to make the argument that FPS requires more skill. But in fact
FPS are easier to play and to do well in, that's why COD4, MW2, DOOM, have so much of a mass appeal. The masses can play these games and still have fun.

People who are not gamers at all, played COD and MW2 etc during
Christmas and had great fun. That's just not true for the fighting games. Fighting games are only fun for noobs when it noob vs noob. On the other hand intermediate-noob combinations can be found in FPS play all the time, and the noob is still having fun his/her kill ratio maybe horrible 1:25 but they're still enjoying the game.

The fact that ma,pa, grandma, baby sister, uncle joe, all jump on the FPS bandwagon makes my point.

The subject of this post is Why fighting games suck.

As I think (myke put it)

most fighting games don't suck
most people suck at fighting games

The reason most people suck at fighting games is because of the level of skill required to initally have fun playing them. That's why Tekken does not have 14million users online and some of the FPS shooters do.

I can compare apples and oranges all day. Which one has the most vitamin C etc. In the same way I can compare/contrast Fighting games vs FPS.

The masses don't flock to and never will flock to a fighting game. On the other hand, even baby sister is playin FPS these days.

I know a lot of yall don't want me to be right, but I am. It hurts your little trigger finger and Ego to think that FPS in general are entry level games and the fact that you are good at
an FPS doesn't get you much. I know that sucks. But that's just how it is.

Yes I am biased toward fighting games. But I had that bias before I ever played a fighting game. Because I recognized early on, that out of all of the video games out there, to be top tier in fighting game is the real deal

 

Seeing how far all of this has come, I'm led to one conclusion:

Masterpo is among the greatest trolls VFDC has ever seen. He even seems succesful in trolling himself.

I hope you other trolls have been taking notes.[/size]

 

No dude, u SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY! I dont buy that u or any one else is incapable of drawing conclusions about comparative skill levels required across different genres. Because it can be done fairly easily. Once again, IF U CANT SEE THAT ONE TASK CAN BE MORE DIFFICULT THAN ANOTHER THEN U ARE HATING, FANBOYING, OR IGNORANT. I definately know your hatin if u really said what was quoted about "most people not playing FG's becuause most people suck at FG's". I mean correct me if im mistaken but i infer from that quote that FG's are really, really hard to play without sucking, therefore most people choose to do something that they wont suck at. Dude that statement totally supports masterpo's argument. So u either hatin or u stole that statement and dont really believe it.

chess is more complex/harder than checkers right? Who disagrees with this? No one does. So how do people draw that conclusion? Simple, they played both and thus its quite obvious which is most difficult.

Cant compare apples and oranges? Only if your brain isnt trying... watch this
Yes, swimming is harder than running track
Yes, algebra is harder than arithmatic
Yes, playing instuments is harder than arranging loops in logic
Yes, Final Cut Pro is harder than iMovie
Yes, quarterback is harder than center(any)
Yes, physics is harder than earth science
Yes, SAT is harder than ACT
Yes, PC's are harder than Macs
Yes, shortstop is harder than fielding left
Yes, its harder to jack off with your off-hand
Yes, free throws are harder than lay-ups
Yes, engineering degree is harder to get than history degree
Yes, dogs are harder to maintain than goldfish
Yes, lasagna is harder to make than ramen noodles
Yes, shooting moving targets is harder than shooting at resting targets
Yes, left hand turns are harder than right hand turns
Yes, japanese is harder than spanish
Yes, presidential elections are harder to win than school board elections
Yes, motorcycles are harder to operate than cars
Yes, hot chicks are harder to fuck than rats
Yes, ninja gaiden is harder than mario
Yes, skiing is harder than roller skating
Yes, Litchi itsuu loops are harder than akira knee
Yes, akira knee is harder than dragon punch
Yes, dragon punch is harder than juke/spinmove/stiff arm
Yes, 80 yard touchdown bomb is harder than full map laser kill
Yes, keeping track of spawn times is harder than avoiding Spiral/doom BS
Yes, not getting raped by magneto is harder than not getting raped by warthog
Yes, controlling snipes is harder than controlling ChrEddy
Yes, teamgames or sports are harder than individual
Yes, adult debates are harder than middle school debates
Yes, hating is easier than reasoning

So all yall haters with lame ass grade school arguments need to leave this thread if your not ready to think/debate rationally with adults...u know who u are.
STOP HATING

 

Sorry bout the wall of text, but some people here are really disgracing themselves and this website

Worst ive ever been let down by this community...SMH

 

"Yes, quarterback is harder than center(any)"

But the best quarterback cannot out center the best center.
(That's why the say you can't compare apples to oranges. Different skill sets involved.)

 

MasterPo, I applaud you. You bring out the troll in all of us.

Way to go little buddies, you guys have taken this thread all the way to 21 pages! Good job ^_^
Oh and to keep the trolling spirit alive I'd like to make fun of everybody that has posted on this thread:
Rabble rabble rabble fps suck. Rabble rabble rabble fighting games rule. Rabble rabble rabble you can't tell which one is harder rabble rabble yes you can rabble rabble who gives a fuck. Rabble apples and oranges rabble peaches and plums rabble strawberry banana smoothies.

P.S.
You're all idiots (looks in the mirror) >_<

 

leaveit2you to be completely ignorant and spout random bullshit while talking about 'haters' for no damn reason.

 

Fighting games is 1-1 (for the most part). If the person your playing with is better than you, you'll likely lose. FPS games tend to be many-vs-many. So if there's someone better than you he might help you win, he may not. But the fact is that even if you're not the best, you can still feel like you performed well. In FPS games, because you're one of many, you can be middle of the pack and feel good about yourself. There is no middle of the pack in fighters.

Yeah. Which one is more complex / harder between chess and go? Go only has 3 rules, so it must be that one right?

Yes, stating opinions as facts is easier than having proof.

You seem to be the one with a lot of hate there champ. Hey disarming a bomb vs triple bypass surgery, which one is harder?